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vikramibr Lieutenant

Age: 36 Zodiac:  Chinese zodiac:  Joined: 10 Oct 2009 Posts: 7 Location: Mumbai
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Ragouvamsam Lieutenant

Age: 37 Zodiac:  Chinese zodiac:  Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Posts: 1 Location: PONDICHERRY
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
I just read with interest this topic of yours.
I was searching the web for material on vigorous efforts that are put internationally to suppress all the ill effects of colonisation, and the price of all the riches that were stolen.
By the way, I prefer the word looting to colonisation. Ten generations - amounting to roughly three hundred years - of looting, acknowledged by the royalty of britain (just remember francis drake) have gone, and we still are here speaking whatever mother tongue of ours and our traditional artistic culture is highly respected the world over.
Much, very much remains to be done in India to make people of all ways of life - whether north or south, whether rich or modest - to realise, be aware of, that our country is still very rich, and it is upto us to share it among us wisely. It is upto us and it must be done. Because, mark my words very well, for all that was looted and rampaged all over the word during more than ten generations, each and every white should be living happily now. We all know that it is not true, they are incapable of it, and they still generate circumstances which will prevent them from being so. That is were we can see the enormity of what has been done.
Just think of it as one example among a thousand, we export cotton goods to the West, textile producers are not happy when the rupee get stronger than the dollar because Americans would then prefer trading with Chinese, but we see naked children at every street's corner. There are millions of them in our country, undernourished at that, but our entrepreneurs are busy competing in exporting all that is possible from "export quality prawn" to "export quality rice" that is NOT available to local market (otherwise the country will not be competitive in the world market, they say...). And I have not even mentioned people exporting themselves as cheap labour.
These things happen when a person born on the very day of India's independence has retired from her/his career, having witnessed that his grandchildren are DEBTORS to foreign countries (the money Indian government borrowed from IMF, the Word Bank, we tend to forget it, but we are also paying it through our taxes...) whereas his great-grandfather was witnessing his village being LOOTED!
There is no rancour in these words of mine, but let us stop helping white economies, let's stop them from using resources of our country, when there are millions living in insane conditions at home. Hugo Chavez has the guts to do it. Or is it that we will keep on having trade relationship for the sake of it on one hand, and on the other ask western economies to help us with funds without knowing that it is going to be something that they have stolen from us? Sourav, you talked to an army staff who gave you a rough estimate. But unfortunately nobody is thinking of doing the same in an organised, systematic way at home. This is in sharp contrast with many Africans countries, for instance, and due credit should be given for all African intellectuals, historians and, yes, economists who participate in this endeavour.
This generation of us Indians MUST raise awareness among our fellow Indians about organised international looting. In my opinion, doing otherwise, pretending that "everything is going on well", that "ever since Gandhiji sacrificed himself and threw out the whites, all is well", but at the same time aiming with rage for the green card in the US or boasting with monkey pride that one has finally got the "carte de séjour", or still being in the queue (and how respectfully!) in the Australian embassy to get the application for the PR, will make our children, our grandchildren wonder what on earth their ancestors (that is... us!) were doing when they (that is... we!) had all these riches.
Do revive your blog. I am sure many are waiting to participate, and give their valuable inputs. |
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truthseeker Lieutenant

Age: 31 Zodiac:  Chinese zodiac:  Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Delhi
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: The impact of british colonisation in India |
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Wrong was done to us in the past, and we need to face the reality. I understand that some British people may get hurt reading some of the posts hereunder, taking this as a direct attack to them and to their pride, but I would like to clarify that the intention is nothing as such.
The aim of this thread is to educate people and I believe that intelligent British people will accept and will not be ashamed to agree with the fact that what happened during the colonization period was not good, and left a deep scar on us, both culturally and economically.
Germans today accept that what the Nazis did was not good. I will hope to get a similar mature reflection from today’s British generation. |
I have noticed that many people, especially ancient colonizers think that colonisation was a good thing that happened for the people of colored skin. I was once seeing a program in TF1 (or TF2, I don't remember) that many people here think that colonisation was there so that the civilized people can civilize the uncivilized colored lot. Hence this thread, I thought to put time to time what colonisation was actually, with respect to India. I'll start this thread by Lord MacAulay's Speech to British Parliament 1835.
Here we go -
Admittedly, time has changed since then, and they were largely successful in their plan. As it stands today, when one tries to speak in "pure Hindi" and try not to mix foreign languages in it, he / she often becomes a laughing stock in get togethers, and people, as I see are more proud communicating in english, here, and back home, alike.
For me, I have always emphazied the need to know oneself, and keep the communication in Hindi while we are sitting among Indians, despite the fact that Hindi is not my mother tongue and I started to learn hindi not before I was 20 and moved to Delhi. Because I understand that we must a find a common language to communicate and Hindi may be the best suitable for that today. If we have some problem learning Hindi, I am all ok for Sanskrit. But we must find a common language that we can tell "our own".
So, that's one thing the british has successfully done in our country. Today, many people, unfortunately, feel more comfortable communicating in english and less comfortable, or at times worse, speaking in our national language.
There are other issues as well, the industrial revolution, and the financial side, how much they took from here, and how the value of rupee has degraded over time. I'll come back with these later, but if you are reading this, and think you can add more value to this thread, I will request you to go ahead, even if you need to contradict me. I believe better paths always come through discussions, whether we agree or disagree at the beginning.
I will also request people to have a look at the documentaries links to whom I have collected in the patriotism section. Scroll down the right pane there, and see the videos accumulated under sub headings - "Documentaries", "The sanskrit tradition" and "What we did for them" - if you haven't yet done so. |
Very true
.... and here is the link: http://www.languageinindia.com/april2003/macaulay.html
Also check out the 3 videos from the below link. (England owns America)
http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x1c49o_motioncrapper_us-is-a-corporation-not-a-count
And check this too(very important): http://www.indiansinfrance.com/forum/topic7500.html |
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Moving2Paris Captain

Age: 34 Zodiac:  Chinese zodiac:  Joined: 25 Sep 2010 Posts: 13 Location: London
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:29 am Post subject: The "real" truth now... |
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Back on this site after a long time and found it interesting to read this post. Well I don't exactly love the British but lets face it they weren't all that bad to Indians as most Indians make it out to be. Compare all former British colonies to former French, Italian and Spanish colonies for example - the British colonies are most progressive, rapidly growing and successful - whereas all the former French colonies are still in the dark ages suffering from major socio-economic issues.
Britian has been destroyed by the worst kind of immigrants and a large (almost 40%) population of CHAVS (uneducated, violent, nasty, racist whites) who are also lazy and dumb... but its mostly a lot of bad immigration policies which has destroyed the UK and made it a very unsafe country to even visit. I don't feel safe walking anywhere in london but in most of France I never had a problem with safety. Modern France is a good country - with good people and good values.... whereas the British and Americans are all about money, material things and everything else plastic - and they always have been that way.
Anyway coming back to the topic of how Britain destroyed India - I totally disagree - in Fact Britain made what India is today - Britain gave India the infrastructure, established law and order in the country, during British rule India was the least corrupt country in the world, they gave India a good modern education system as well and did a lot of good things too. Had India never been ruled by the British - India would not even be a country today... it would still be a 1000 states at war with each other and muslims fighting against hindus and sikhs etc... the mughals that ruled over India were worse than the British - and British never really ruled over India - they came to India as traders to do business and formed alliances with local Indian rulers to establish a common law accross the country. If they did some divide and rule - they also united a lot of Indians. Towards the end of British rule in India - they also encouraged Indo-British marriages to integrate Indians into their own culture.
Lastly - I have to say that wealthy Indians do not suffer from any colonial hangover - nor do they blame the British for any problems in India. The problems in India exist due to extreme corruption from Indian politicians and beaurocrats and I can bet after the British left India - the local Indian politicians looted 100 times more money from India in 60 years than the British looted in 400 years. India is a wealthy country, and was always wealthy - the wealth in India is just not equally distributed that is why India is percieved as a poor country... but it's probably richer than most European countries. |
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arpan57 Captain

Age: 28 Zodiac:  Chinese zodiac:  Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 14 Location: India
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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One of the best topics I got on the form.
I agree with above post : The problems in India exist due to extreme corruption from Indian politicians and beaurocrats and I can bet after the British left India - the local Indian politicians looted 100 times more money from India in 60 years than the British looted in 400 years. Its true our ppl have looted us more..... : " Hame to apno ne mara gairo me kahan dam tha......Ham jahan dube wahan pani kam tha ".....
Actually I had been to Paris recently in Sept. I found all the govement offices replying very nicely. And best part which stuck in my mind when I was leaving Paris. I remember it was a weekend and morning around 8 AM I had flight from CDG @ 11. And some metro work was going on. And route was changed for CDG. I was worried what will happen, then saw police at the metro station they were guiding where to get down and what to do. And after one stop RERs were not going. There many police were guiding. I saw some police with walky talky and felt like a mission . Had it been India, I would have missed the flight. Here attitude in all "sarkari" dept is like " Hota hai , chalta hai". If some one wants to go he will find out....
Very frankly speaking I stay in India but not in state where i was born and brought up. Here in this state ppl know i am not from their state so they cheat in all the ways. Even though I am an Indian I don't feel like I am in India. |
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Sourav IIF Founder & President

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